Atheism champions the idea that a god cannot exist. They say it is scientifically impossible and goes against the laws of nature. Which I would agree, God is supernatural meaning he is not bound by the laws of science or nature. That right there is the reason why Christianity trumps Atheism. If we constrict ourselves to only what is scientifically possible through the laws of nature, then we wouldn't even be able to have this conversation right now. Why? Because absolute laws found in science, nature, and even our brains cannot exists in a world without God.
I say this because if there was no one designing what we currently know as the universe, then that means everything came into existence through random impulses of energy on non living matter. (Which by the way atheists cannot explain how the first piece of matter came into existence but we'll save that for another time). So if everything is here because of random processes then how do absolute or non changing laws exist in a random constantly changing universe? How does the law of gravity remain constant if supposedly everything in existence is random processes? How can we think logically when our mind is simply another random process? Its kinda like this. You hold 2 dice, you must always roll them randomly and non stop just as the universe was in the beginning. Once you land on, lets say, two 6's you want to stop. But that is unscientific because you would be inflicting an element of intelligent design on the dice which supposedly cannot happen. So you would have to continue rolling the dice randomly and hoping you get two 6's every time. This obviously cannot happen you would get different numbers every time! In the same sense when it comes to the natural laws like gravity, or the laws of logic in our mind how did we end up maintaining these absolutes when it originated from random processes or rolling of the dice? Who told these processes to stop acting randomly? Who stopped rolling the dice? Atheist's cannot answer because if they did, it would be supernatural. That's where us Christians come in.
We believe God was our designer. We believe he is the one who, instead of randomly rolling the dice, set the dice down so that it would always be two 6's. God placed the laws of nature and science so that we would have an absolute not random foundation to use our logic to thrive here on earth. This makes sense, this explains how absolutes can exist, because someone designed them to be absolute. Christians can take comfort knowing that gravity will not randomly change, or our minds will not randomly stop thinking logically, or that logic itself will not randomly cease to exists. Atheists can take comfort in that also, but they cant explain why. We can.
"Atheism champions the idea that a god cannot exist."
ReplyDeleteNo we don't.
"They say it is scientifically impossible and goes against the laws of nature."
That depends on your definition of god.
"then that means everything came into existence through random impulses of energy on non living matter."
No it doesn't. There is literally no scientific theory that states this.
" (Which by the way atheists cannot explain how the first piece of matter came into existence but we'll save that for another time)."
Neither can you. Let me just make it clear that simply having an explanation is not enough, you need evidence for your explanation. You need to differentiate your explanation from things that are simply made up.
"So if everything is here because of random processes then how do absolute or non changing laws exists in a random constantly changing universe? "
At the core of the universe is energy, and energy dissipates. It takes the exertion of energy to affect change, so that is why everything is not constantly changing randomly because it would take energy to change things. We don't live in a randomly changing universe! Newton's law is a reflection of this basic structure of the universe. Objects in motion will tend to remain in motion. There is nothing that needs to push it to keep it in motion. It takes energy to CHANGE the state. So why are things more or less the same today as they were yesterday? Because it would take immense amounts of energy to change basic aspects of the universe. So it is like throwing a dice and it lands on two sixes, and then leaving the dice there. When you throw the dice you have to exert energy. If no energy is exerted no change will occur and when you return to the dice tomorrow you will see the same values will be reflected. If you think it requires an active agency to keep things more or less the same you have got everything backwards. The conservation and dissipation of energy forms the foundation of the laws of our universe, not some random nonsense.
you say no scientfic theory states that the beginning of the universe was caused by random impulses of energy on non living matter. if that is true than do you concede it was intelligently designed and not random?
Deletealso, having an explanation does not make it true but not having an explanation disqualifies your whole theory from being even close to being considered fact.
and your response to a randomly changing universe makes sence, that it reqires immense amounts of energy. But then again I ask what caused the initial burst of energy that initiated the big bang? and we just got lucky that this energy landed everything where it was supposed to be? I'm sure you will come back with a detailed answer but before you do, just think. This may be the only alternative to believing in a god, but is it plausible that this could actually happen?
Christian Conqueror, please read. Gravity is determined by mass and the mass of the earth does not change enough to matter. However, some planets have been discovered to have little mass and that spin very fast, so if you stood on it long enough, you'd feel the rotation kinda pull you up toward the sky.
ReplyDeleteif you're on a really huge, solid planet, you'd get crushed by the gravity.
gravity was simply my example of an absolute law that applies to us. Gravity doesnt randomly change every day
DeleteHaving an explanation does not make it real. I can choose to believe in the State Puff Marshmallow Man, but that doesn't make it real.
ReplyDeletevery true, but having no explanation guarantee's that its not reality, thus shouldnt be taught in schools as fact. Furthermore we have a logical explanation of how an unscientific beginning became reality. Because a being not bound by science initiated the beginning
DeleteFirst paragraph translated:
ReplyDeleteOriginal: "Atheism champions the idea that a god cannot exist."
Translation: 'I don't even really know what I'm talking about. I'll just make stuff up because the basic concepts are too difficult for me to grasp.'
Original: "They say it is scientifically impossible and goes against the laws of nature."
Translation: 'Atheists say that the gods people make up are ridiculous compared to what we actually observe about reality.'
[Amazing. CC actually got something right. Of course, he left off that part where ideas about gods can also be otherwise incoherent or meaningless.]
Original: "Which I would agree, God is supernatural meaning he is not bound by the laws of science or nature."
Translation: 'We religious believers made up our religious ideas without basing them on reality or dealing with any actual evidence from the real world itself, so of course we are not going to allow anything we make up to be restricted by reality.'
Original: "That right there is the reason why Christianity trumps Atheism."
Translation: 'Religious belief trumps atheism because we think it is perfectly okay to make things up regardless of whether or not they actually have anything to do with the real world.'
Original: "If we constrict ourselves to only what is scientifically possible through the laws of nature, then we wouldn't even be able to have this conversation right now. Why? Because absolute laws found in science, nature, and even our brains cannot exists in a world without God."
Translation: 'I don't understand science, and that's okay because I tend to despise science because scientific research results have never produced any good evidence for my religious beliefs, and not only that, there are so many things about the real world that we don't have detailed scientific explanations for, and I think the god-of-the-gaps argument is a great argument for believing in a god.'
[And religious believers wonder why atheists criticize their religious beliefs for being ridden with fallacious thinking. Thank you, CC, for showing why.]
Oh, good, now we know why Bill O'Reilly thinks that "The tide goes in, the tide goes out" is a good argument for believing in a god. CC has kindly explained it for us.
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